What to Get: This title isn't quite perfect yet, but you'll be
content with anything that isn't the old Zappa Records CD from the
Summary: With the exception of the 1980s Zappa Records
CD (more on that in a moment), all CDs, including the 2012 reissue, are
identical: they have 1) a remix of "Mr. Green Genes", 2)
a lot of digital reverb/echo added to a lot of tracks, and 3) three new
tracks": one 1980s rock song ("Tengo 'na Minchia Tanta") and two
very long bits of movie dialogue. The 1980s Zappa Records CD contains additional reverb on one and a half
tracks (so far): "Dog Breath" and the first part of "Golden Arches."
Post-1995 CDs add some extra cover/booklet artwork
ESSENTIAL VERSIONS FOR COMPLETISTS: Any vinyl version and any
(except the 1980s Zappa Records CD, unless you're an insane
- Test Pressing (unknown)
- Original vinyl
(Bizarre 2MS 2024 in the US, April 1969, blue label; white- and
gray-label promos also reported (repressed in 1973, without the 12-page
booklet); Reprise 2MS 2024 in Canada
(yellow-pink-green steamboat label);
Trans-Atlantic TRA 197 in the UK, September 1969)
- Bizarre 52024 UK vinyl
- Japanese vinyl (Reprise SJET 8151-2)
- French vinyl (WEA Reprise 64 005)
- German vinyl (WEA Reprise 64 005/1, yellow steamboat label)
- Australian vinyl (Reprise
2MS 2024, 1969 - censored!)
- New Zealand vinyl (Reprise
2RS 2024, 1969)
- Reel-to-reel (Reprise RST-2024-P, 4-track 7.5-IPS)
- 8-tracks (Bizarre 8MS 2024, Reprise
REP J 82024)
- Reprise Cassette (CRJ 2024)
- German cassette (WEA Reprise 464005)
- The Old Masters vinyl (Barking
Pumpkin BPR 8888-1, November 1986)
- Original CD (Ryko RCD10064/5 in
the US (imported into Australia by Festival Records and re-stickered
Ryko D70279/80), Zappa Records CDD ZAP 3 in the UK, October 1987; VACK
5025/26 in Japan)
- IRS 970.703 CD?
- Barking Pumpkin cassette (USA)
- Zappa Records cassette (TZAPPA3)
- 1995 CD (Ryko RCD 10506/7, May 2
1995; VACK 5109/10 in Japan,
renumbered 5244/5 in 1998)
- Japanese paper-sleeve CD
(Ryko/VACK 1208, September 21 2001 - Bizarre inner sleeeves;
stickers & booklet included)
- 1995 Cassette (Ryko RAC 10506/7, May 2 1995)
- 2012 UMe CD (Zappa Records ZR3839 July 31, 2012)
"Nine Types of Industrial Pollution" was called "400 Days of
Year" on some early 8-track and vinyl
copies. Jasper Leach has such a vinyl copy, and:
... in place of "Louie Louie (at the Albert Hall)" it says
"The Mothers Play Louie Louie at the Albert Hall in London"; on the
last "King Kong" it says "the Underwood Zappa Ramifications" [instead
of just "the Underwood Ramifications"]; also it never says that
"Louie Louie" is by Richard Berry!
Some copies had "400 Days of the Year" on the labels, and
"Nine Types of
Industrial Pollution" on the cover.
More. From (allegedly) an interview in the July 20 1968 issue
ROLLING STONE: Are you recording at all now?
ZAPPA: We have 2 albums in the can. We've been
working on this for the past 5 months. We bought a huge block of time
in a studio in New York with our own teenage money, secretly knowing
that MGM would bite the dust ... becausegood guys always win.
[---?] 2 albums. One is Whatever Happened to Ruben & the Jets? -
a secret project [which obviously ended up as Cruising with Ruben
& the Jets - Ed]. The other is No Commercial Potential -
a 3-record set. Six sides. It has such 8-minute tidbits as police
busting our recording session. New York cops! Live! In person! You
can't dance to it! It also has a piece where Jimmy Carl Black, the
Indian of the group, is bitching because we are not making any money,
and it's taking too long for the band to make it. 2 songs about El
Monte Legion Stadium. A song about fake IDs. Another song about teats.
A surrealistic R&B song called "The Air Escaping from Your Mouth".
2 other surrealistic things: "Mr Green Genes" and "Electric Aunt
Jemima". Lots of instrumentals. On one song, we used 40 tracks and the
tune lasts 90 seconds.That took us 4 days to put together. It'll
probably be released in the fall.
From this interview segment, we can conclude that No
was a project best described as Uncle Meat plus some other
stuff, such as
a longer edit of "Cops & Buns" (released later on The Lost
Episodes). But the source of this information is notoriously
unreliable - can someone confirm the interview?
Some files purported to be from a test-pressing of Uncle
Meat have recently been circulating around the internet. No other
information (matrix numbers, date, etc.) is available as of yet.
Informants: we want your information.
Some runs had no track separation. See also the track titles
From Robert Cloos:
The original US version had an inner sleeve with an advert
for the Zappéd sampler.
Price: one dollar!
From Ben H:
The original UK version was on Transatlantic
Records. This was a small independent label, run by Nathan Joseph,
which had been notable for many important folk music records by people
like Bert Jansch, John Renbourn and Hamish Imlach. Uncle Meat
came about when Bizarre/Straight was founded, with the deal with
Reprise Records. In the UK at this time, Reprise albums were pressed
and distributed by Pye Records, but they apparently would not have
anything to do with this unmusical freaky racket. B/S made a deal with
Transatlantic to release Uncle Meat in the UK until Reprise got
a new UK distributer sorted out, along with the Lenny Bruce album that
Bizarre released. Sadly Transatlantic lacked the funds to push Uncle
Meat, and the booklet never graced these copies either. By the time
of Burnt Weeny Sandwich, Reprise had got a
new deal with CBS (who also released the Straight albums from
1969 / early 1970 - the GTOs' Permanent Damage,
Beefheart's Trout Mask Replica etc.) and the label copy that
read "Manufactured by Pye Records" was blacked out.
From Richard Kolke:
I have two copies of this LP. Both are original
pressings - one from Canada and one from the US.
Both are on Bizarre/Reprise 2024, but the Canadian copy is on the
pink/yellow/blue Reprise label and the US copy is on the blue/green
Bizarre label. However, both pressings list "9 Types of Industrial
Pollution" on the cover as "400 Days of the Year" on the labels. The US
copy also has a large red sticker in the upper left hand corner of the
front cover which states: "The Mothers of Invention - Two LPs and
a Nifty 12-Page Book".
From Ryan Takatsu:
The word "fuck" was airbrushed out of the Canada
pressing of Uncle Meat but I remember very well that the
Winnipeg Central library (circa 1968 or '69) had a copy of the US
pressing with the word "fuck" printed in the lower left cover of the
gatefold, opposite of the song listings. Please correct me if I am
US & Canadian Re-Presses
DAN WATKINS: ... the Uncle Meat LP was sealed,
and it had a
suspiciously low price of $25. Needless to say, I bought it
immediately. When I got in the
car and opened it up (yeah, I probably should have left it sealed up,
but what the
fuck ...) I was surprised that both of the records were in sleeves
with the Warner
Bros. logo all over them and the records wore a Reprise label and not
the Bizarre label,
even though the Bizarre logo is printed in several places on the cover.
The album is also
missing the booklet. Everything else seems to be like the original
vinyl: original mix of
"Mr. Green Genes", much less echo than the CD, and the same catalog
the original LP. Plus, I'm hearing mega distortion in the the middle of
of the Golden Arches". My questions are does anyone have any idea of
the country this
album could have come from if it is not American, and is it a
CHARLES ULRICH: Sounds like the US LP I bought in the late
1970s. Reprise MS-1/2/3/4-2024
DAN WATKINS: I forgot to mention that sides one and four are
on one record and two and
three are on the other record. Didn't they start doing that in the late
CHARLES ULRICH: Mine (late 1970s) is indeed 1/4 and 2/3. But
the inner sleeves feature ads
for the Warners sampler album Supergroup.
BIFFYSHREW: Sounds like a later US pressing. Zappa's Bizarre
albums switched to Reprise
after Frank & Herb's bust-up, as did Captain Beefheart's Trout
(probably the only Straight title to remain in print after the label
folded, unless any of
Tim Buckley's stuff got re-pressed, as opposed to being repressed). Are
sleeves clear plastic with the logos in blue? Warners was using that
design circa 1980.
DAN WATKINS: Yeah, clear sleeves with little blue "WB"
logos. Yeah, it looks as
if it's definitely a re-print. But $25 for a sealed reprint ain't bad.
With the exception
of a few seconds in the "Legend of the Golden Arches", it sounds much
than the CD.
Well, mine is a copy from the early seventies at the latest:
it has "Bizarre" in large "mod-stencil" writing on the the
label, but "Reprise" is written on it also in smaller letters.
It has the original inner sleves in sepia tone with the weird graphic
of Frank and Herbie (that is Herbie, isn't it?) and the big white
astrolabe-type-thingy graphic and the First Amendment quote on one side
and the "We make records that are a little different ..." quote on
the other side.
It is also arranged with the sides as described above [1
& 4 on one record, 2 & 3 on the other]. This was more common in
the late sixties and early seventies than anytime afterwards because
that was when they built those crazy turntables with the stackable
spindles. People got a bit more sensible as the seventies proceeded. At
least as far as turntables are concerned. My brother bought it used
sometime in the early to mid-seventies, and it doesn't have the
booklet, but you can't have everything.
BOSSK (R): ... there was a US repress in 1973 without the
maybe there was also a Canadian repress which did not include the
ROLF MAURER: Yes indeedly-doodly. That's the version I bought circa
Phantasmagoria on Granville St., if I remember correctly).
I once saw a "mislabeled" copy of Uncle Meat in an
underground record store, priced somewhere between $60-$100. (It was
way too long ago to remember, but I remember it being expensive.) The
price tag said "RARE - MISLABELED". When I looked inside I found
that it was a US pressing with labels for the ill-fated Jimi Hendrix War
Heroes album accidentally applied to the second LP.
From Chris "Fufas" Grace:
Although the UK Transatlantic version did not have the
booklet, copies of AN Uncle Meat booklet were being sold
instead of programmes at the Mothers concerts. I have a copy acquired
in 1969. I mentioned it to Calvin Schenkel (It has a comment from him
in it that the films were late) who had forgotten that he'd done it at
all. If the CD booklet is an accurate facsimile, the concert booklet
has less than half the pages of the album version. At the time it was a
mystery why they sold it at the concerts as it had nothing to do with
them at all and didn't even refer to them.
From Erik Steaggles:
A friend of mine has the original TRA 197 issue and he
bought it when it came out. He has a booklet with it, and to my
amazement, it is completely different to the US booklet. Some pages are
similar, but this book has about 4 or 5 more pages. From what I can
remember, there is a lot more colourful artwork and some really nice
photos of the Mothers. It is the only book like this I have seen. It
has the same front and back cover and has a Transatlantic logo on the
back so I figured it must be genuine. I have asked other Zappa
fans/experts and they have never even heard of it! Does anyone else
know about this?
Australian & New Zealand
From Collecting Frank Zappa
in Australia - Part
1: The Early Years, an article by Stuart Penny in it - The
Collectors Magazine, Issue #14 June-July-August 1995 (provided by Henry
Griggs, Sydney, Australia):
Issued towards the end of 1969 in a heavily-laminated
gatefold sleeve (but with no sign of the booklet which accompanied
early US copies), Uncle Meat (Reprise 2MS 2024 - also issued in
New Zealand as 2RS 2024) nevertheless suffered badly at the hands of
the Australian censors, who imposed no less than six 'modifications' on
the following spoken-word tracks: "The Voice of Cheese", "Our Bizarre
Relationship" and "'If We'd All Been Living in California ...'". Such
petty constraints aside though, Uncle Meat did, at least, look
the part - which is a lot more than can be said for the Oz version
of Hot Rats (Reprise RS 6356).
to some information, Bizarre 8MS 2024 was a black tape in a grey box,
and Reprise REP J 82024 was a black
tape in a black box. What the picture to the right depicts is an open
Is it complete on one cartridge, or incomplete on one, or
complete on two? I'm asking 'cause I remember having some double albums
that just couldn't cut it onto 8-track, for some reason. I guess it's
like the dreaded 120-minute cassette: if the tape is too thin,
mechanical failure is almost certain.
From "bills" (Bizarre 8MS 2024):
It's all on one tape, which by the way sold for $9.98 -
or about $9.98 more than it's apparently worth now. For anyone who
cares, it was put out by Reprise Records, a division of Warner
Brothers. Manufactured and distributed by Ampex, Elk Grove Village,
Illinois. It's a black tape in a grey box.
Mojo Man (Reprise REP J 82024):
The plastic tape case has the back label with the track
information but it does not have the picture label. (That I assume
would be the same as cover picture.) There is no adhesive traces on
plastic tape case so maybe this cut-out never had the cover picture on
it at all. (Just a guess.)
From Gary Horowitz:
I have the Reprise cassette of Uncle Meat. I found
it sealed in some bargain bin about 20-something years ago. I thought
"here's a novelty item - a copy of Uncle Meat for the
I don't know what they did in mastering it, or if it's just
a fluke, but I have to tell you that it sounds fantastic! This
album was made for tape. [Gary! You're getting carried away! - Ed :]
There is a definition and clarity that simply does not exist on vinyl
The sound is full and airy. The music seems more lively and
transparent. This is never the case with any commercially manufactured
cassette. I know that this does not make any logical sense and as a
recording engineer I loathe commercially available cassettes as a rule.
But this tape really does sound fantastic and I think it is because the
source was taken from the original master and not a
On the front it has the front cover of the album. Above the
photo it says "Uncle Meat", followed by the Warner Reprise logo
just to the right of that, both in white lettering. To the left of the
title it has the Bizarre logo in black, and underneath the title also
in small black lettering says "(MOST OF THE MUSIC FROM THE MOTHERS
MOVIE OF THE SAME NAME WHICH WE HAVEN'T GOT ENOUGH MONEY TO FINISH
YET)". Below the picture it says:
And at the bottom is:
A Division of Warner Bros. Records, Inc.
The cassette is bright white plastic assembled with screws.
Side 1 is 40:23; side 2 is 34:40. The continuity of the album has
been preserved. No selections had been placed out of normal running
order to try to balance timing lenghths of the cassette sides. Both
sides also show the little Bizarre logo of the antique vacuum
pump, or what ever it is, only it is on its side to save label space, I
From RIFF RAFF FROM MICHIGAN:
I have a cassette release of Uncle Meat (on the Barking
Pumpkin label). I hear no audible differences between that and the Ryko
CD release (other than the "penalty tracks" on the CD that were
obviously not on the cassette).
Old Masters LP
Since the CD is partially remixed,
and longer, what's the Old
Masters LP like? Good question; not much answered yet. From Bermuda:
To me, it sounds like the same mix as the original LP, but
re-EQd a little.
dlokazip adds a few more nuggets:
The title track is folded in; the stereo image is way too centered. Also, it is my contention that the Old Masters LP of Uncle Meat sounds
worse than the CD with the exception of "Mr. Green Genes" [Ed: which is the
original mix]. I don't know what went wrong with that one, but something did.
Original CDs - Not quite all the same!
All CD versions of Uncle Meat have three "bonus tracks" (also
known as "penalty
tracks"): Two long excerpts from the movie UNCLE MEAT, and
the song "Tengo 'na Minchia Tanta", recorded in the 80s. The second
excerpt affects the beginning of "King Kong" slightly.
(Zappa obviously still thought of this CD as the soundtrack to
his movie UNCLE
MEAT, which was nowhere near completed when the LP was released.
This must be why
he introduced the bonus tracks - the LP sort of reflects the movie
in the state it
must have been in at the time, and the CD sort of reflects it in its
final state. Compared
to the LP, the CD sounds extremely heterogeneous (with antiseptic '80s
sound popping up
amidst all the '60s recordings) and has extremely long stretches of
crazy dialogue (which
many people have called extremely boring) - because that's the way
the movie is.)
From Michael Gula:
The only problems I hear with the Uncle Meat CD are:
- the "penalty tracks" which many (including me) don't
like, but you can program your player to skip over them,
- a "twittery" sounding echo (same echo as on the Weasels CD), but it's not too annoying -
probably meant to cover up the print-through "dirt" on the quiet parts
of the tape (other attempts to cover up the tape degradation are the
truncated reverberation on the slowed-down snork between "Zolar Czakl"
and "Dog Breath", and the truncated decay on the clang which ends the
"Uncle Meat Variations"); and
- a re-mixed "Mr. Green Genes". It's an OK re-mix, but I
still like the original better.
From Dan Watkins:
I hate the CD because of all that damn reverb Frank added. I
always cringe when I hear those snorks because they really expose the
From Juha Sarkkinen:
CD indexing differs slightly from the vinyl.
In 2012, it was belatedly discovered
that the 1980s Zappa Records CD (CDD ZAP 3) contains extra digital reverb on "Dog
Breath" and the first half of "Golden Arches," as well as differences
on "Louie Louie." To quote O Don Piano: "Stunning! ADDED penalty
I've just checked through the whole
of Uncle Meat Zappa CD [ZAP3] & the new Universal (which is
apparently exactly the same as the 95 Ryko).
In addition to the differences already noted in Dog Breath & The
Legend of the Golden Arches there is also a bit of a discrepancy in
Louie Louie...The first 1:08s are identical on both the Universal &
From the edit point where FZ says 'Louie Louie!' onwards it's
different, it's hard to hear the difference between the two - maybe a
bit more ambient reverb on the Zappa CD? - but the frequency analysis
shows that the Zappa CD's highest is around 15k whilst the Universal
LOOKS like it's going to peak at around 10khz but then extends out to
22khz...There's also that dip at 6khz and the peak at 8.5khz on the
Zappa CD which isn't present on the Universal. I don't know why, I also
have no idea why the Universal has that extra bunch of frequencies used
from 10khz-20khz, maybe it was EQ'd a bit or something. I'm not a
professional, I can only guess why things are like this.
The Universal CD track runs to 2:19 instead of the 2:18 on the Zappa
but this is just a difference in track splitting at the end of the
track. The final 3-4 seconds of the track are also different but it's
hard for me to determine how by listening.
The rest of the tracks on both discs are the same.
The Zappa Records CD (CDD ZAP 3) has two booklets: one
reproducing the cover and back
cover in full colour, with lyrics, credits and graphics from inside the
gatefold cover of
the vinyl album reproduced in black & white, and one twelve-page
the vinyl booklet. The 1995 CD has a full-colour
fold-out instead of
the first of these booklets. From Erik Steaggles:
The booklets and covers contained most of the artwork, but
it was all in
different orders and most of it was in black-and-white. The most
piece of artwork (now restored on the Ryko CD)
negative-imposed photographs which was in the middle of the LP booklet.
were completely missing on the original CD.
The 1995 CD re-issue introduced some extra artwork: an inlay
sheet behind the tray,
described by Cal Schenkel as "2 of the found Dentoid elements that were
used in the
cover assemblage (turned into mush when they printed it with a scan
instead of a simple
line shot)". Official Ryko statement: "New master. New timing sheet.
artwork. This is the 1987 remix." [full statement] Otherwise, the audio
content matches the 1987 Ryko CD (but not the Zappa Records CD).
2012 UMe CD
Explicitly taken from the 1993
digital master, and is reported to be (barring some slight indexing
differences) the same as the 1987 and 1995 Ryko CDs (but different than
the old Zappa Records CD from the 1980s, which had additional digital
Japanese Paper-Sleeve Version
Starting in 2001, Video Arts Music released a limited-edition
copies each) of Zappa CDs in
paper sleeves - miniature LP sleeves. There was nothing special about
series other than the covers, which were very well done - inserts
"bonuses" were reproduced, the albums that originally had gatefold
covers got little miniature gatefolds, and cover track lists were
exactly as on the corresponding LPs, even in cases where the CD has
bonus tracks or a different track order. Included in this series were
some entries that never had "proper" LP issues, i.e. Läther.
Additionally, some rarities--like the "green/gold" cover of Chunga's
Revenge--were reproduced as special items in this run.
We need to stress that the sound quality of these discs
matches the US Ryko issues, which they are clearly derived from.
These are collectors items, not new remastered editions.
LATE-2005-UPDATE: Ryko USA has apparently been
importing the overstock of these releases to sell as domestic "special
editions," causing the speculators who paid top dollar for the entire
collection to hari-kari themselves. This includes some of the discs
that, as of August 2005, were pretty hard to find ("Money" and others).
- Original Ryko CD - artwork?
- Were there any differences between the original vinyl and
the Old Masters vinyl?
- How do the old CDs compare with the current issue?
- Biffy the Elephant Shrew
- Erik Pepke
- L. L.
- Román García Albertos
- Patrick David Neve
- Ariel Ross