Fillmore East - June 1971
side 2 with a fade, some with a cold start. Now, which version has
"the most music" on it? ;)
The ugly item above was sold on
ebay.com in the summer of 2000, said to be the Taiwanese First Records
TD-1116 blue-label issue.
What to Get: The 2012 CD.
Summary: The 2012 CD restores "Willie the Pimp
Pt. 2" and eliminates the 1980s-era digital processing FZ added to the
album, which debuted on the 1986 "Old Masters" LP. All previous CDs are missing the second part of "Willie" and
have additional reverb, echo, and stereo processing.
ESSENTIAL VERSIONS FOR COMPLETISTS: The (non-Old-Masters) vinyl or 2012 CD. The
old CDs can be safely discarded. [completist's
- Original vinyl (Bizarre MS 2042,
August 1971 (repressed in 1973))
- Canadian & European
vinyl (Reprise MS 2042 in Canada, Reprise K 44150 in the UK, REP
44150 in Germany, 44150 in France (and possibly Germany) August 1971)
- Greek vinyl (Reprise 44150)
- Japanese vinyl (Reprise P-8151R)
- Mexican vinyl: The Mothers en el Fillmore East -
1971 (Gamma GX01-01494, entire sleeve in Spanish)
- Brazilian vinyl (re-issued in 1979 as WEA 28.026 ("LIVE IN
CONCERT" on label))
- Australian vinyl (Reprise MS
- New Zeeland vinyl (Reprise RS 2042, side 2 "cold start")
- Taiwanese vinyl (First Records TD-1116, blue label,
"different cover, soft cover" - legit?)
- Cassette (Bizarre M 52042)
- 8-track (Bizarre M 82042 (US?) and/or
Reprise 8RM-2042 (Canada?))
- The Old Masters vinyl
(Barking Pumpkin BPR 8888-6, November 1986)
- Original CD (Ryko RCD10167 in the
US, Zappa Records CDZAP29 in the US, May 1990; VACK [50-something] in
Japan; Ryko D30380 in Australia, 1990)
- 1995 CD (Ryko RCD 10512, May 30 1995;
VACK 5121 in Japan, renumbered
5256 in 1998; also in a BMG Record Club
- 1995 cassette (Ryko RAC 10512, May 30 1995; also in a BMG Record Club version (1088061))
- Japanese paper-sleeve CD
(Ryko/VACK 1213, October 24 2001 - Bizarre inner sleeve)
- 2012 UMe CD (Zappa Records ZR3845 July
- "Little House I Used to Live in" bootleg
And on the weird side, parts of this album seem to have been
issued in Poland as a set
of flexi-disc postcards.
- "Little House I Used to Live in" is listed as "Little House
I Used to Stay in" on the Australian
There are two versions of the LP: one where "Willie the Pimp
2" fades in and one where it starts cold. No idea which is which, how
tell, etc. From Vladimir Zak:
I got the Fillmore East vinyl, Bizarre MS 2042, Made
in USA, repressed in 1973 (mustard yellow label), and "Willie the Pimp
Part 2" fades in.
Mike Espinoza weighs in:
I've solved the issue with the two versions of Willie The
Pimp, Part Two on Fillmore East, June 1971.
I compared an MP3 that I have of the cold start with my own vinyl copy
of the fade in version that I recorded onto a wav file. I have
determined that the cold start version is one second longer than the
fade in from the point where the fade in version is first audible.
The two files that I have are the exact same length, but the cold
start MP3 is about one second off of the other file and ends sooner.
This means that the cold start version has more music, but not by
much; the cold start version goes for about six seconds before the fade
in version reaches full volume. So, the cold start version is
preferable, but, ultimately, who gives a fuck anyway?. We are
talking insane completist territory.
Had Frank actually included the song on the CD, the fade in
version probably would have sounded better anyway.
Canadian & European
On the Canadian and European vinyl issues, the last track on
side 1, part one
"Willie the Pimp", ends cold instead of fading out as on the
vinyl. Except the Greek version:
From Ryan Davenport:
The Greek version of Fillmore East - June 1971 is a
bit different than I expected. Unlike the other European releases,
"Willie the Pimp Part I" fades out, like the American version. Side 2
starts cold. The album cover is derived from the English version of the
cover, which has a different "Fine Print Dept." than the American
version did. The artwork on the spine is different on the Greek
release, however. The English and American releases both have the same
spine, with "MOTHERS - Fillmore East, June 1971" taking up the top half
of the spine. On the Greek cover, the handwriting is smaller, is
placed in the middle of the spine, and is not written by Cal Schenkel.
From Biffy the Elephant
Well, it was like this: we were in the South Bay
already ... I'd picked up a copy of French TV's Intestinal
Fortitude at CD Warehouse ... and I asked my wife to drive
into San Jose so I could buy an E-flat blues harp at Guitar Center.
With that mission accomplished, we stopped off at Tower Records in
Campbell (I picked up a Sonny Boy Williamson CD for $8.99) and then to
a nearby used record shop, where I found a Japanese copy of Fillmore
East, June 1971. As many of you know, Japanese albums usually come
with lyric inserts that are transcribed by ear, with frequently bizarre
results. And this was a goodie. Some of the errors are merely
misspellings, such as "mud shark arpedio", "Tiera Del Frago" or "a
succlent young lady with a taste for the bazzar". But here are some of
the other amusing transcriptions (all spelling, capitalization and
punctuation as printed, but I won't attempt to replicate the eccentric
- Not only do they have mud sharks up here,
they got little octopus, chicken-cats
- This is the swingingest place
in New York City
- My girl friend digs it with a hot to do dadel
- Don't call us groupies that is going too far.
We wouldn't ball you just to keep after us all.
Talking about your paranoids baby.
- didn't you just say
that you got off being duped with a baby
- What say we hop, in trunk of your Cremlin
- one enchillada raped with pickle sauce
But the best of all is "Bwana Dik", which I present here in
I got the thing you need.
I am endowed beyond your whildest creams
Girls from all over the world
flock to write my name on tolit walls
of the whiskey-Ago-Go.
Boy, I am Bwana Dik.
I am Bwana Dik,
we want a nickle,
we want a nickle.
My Dick is a monstar.
Give me your heart,
my dick is a lecture he knows it by heart.
My dick is a harley, your ticket to stars.
One of it speaks the others for park.
My dick is a dazen of fortitude babe.
My dick is a reamer to scream up your snatch.
Steamin', creamin', creamin'.
Funny that they heard the word "slit" as "snatch," which has
the right meaning but the wrong sound. Later on, they substitute "slit"
for "clit", so the slit quota is at least maintained.
A number of lines were even beyond the power of the Japanese
transcriber to guess at, like "acetylene nirvana hemorrhoids,"
"iridescent naugahyde python screaming steamroller" or the three lines
beginning with "Wall-mounted TV screen". These are replaced with dotted
Hey, it's just a bunch of to do dadel, anyway ...
From Mikael Agardsson:
Let it be said that the lyric transcriptions are much better
on later albums. One little thing about the lyric sheet: the front page
has a black & white picture of Zappa (the same picture as on the
gatefold Hot Rats cover, and the Zappéd LP). And the obi
is a bit special, with the big kana having the same jagged edges as the
English writing on the cover.
From Collecting Frank Zappa
in Australia - Part
1: The Early Years, an article by Stuart Penny in it - The
Collectors Magazine, Issue #14 June-July-August 1995 (provided by Henry
Griggs, Sydney, Australia):
Not only was heavy lamination the order of the day here
(thus, presumably, negating the whole point of the primitive
bootleg-style artwork?), but a wonderful schoolboy-style howler on the
label changed the opening "Little House I Used to Live in" to the
distinctly more Australian-flavoured "Little House I Used to Stay
There used to be a little note here that said:
On the 8-track, part two of "Willie the Pimp" (the first
track on side 2 of
the vinyl; left out from the CD) fades
of the abrupt start on all vinyl releases.
But now we know that there are two versions of the LP: one
where it fades in
and one where it starts cold. No idea which is which, how to tell, etc.
Old Masters LP
"Fillmore" was released in the second Old Masters box. This version contained
the extra reverb and delay that would later appear on the pre-2012 CDs, although
it lacks other audio problems that those CDs have (and has "Willie the
Pimp Pt. 2."
From Neil in the UK:
This album was badly recorded to begin with. The CD makes
that all the more apparent. Vocals have been treated and improved.
I don't know why people keep saying that this album "can't
be helped". "Shove It Right In" and the Playground Psychotics
tracks sound fantastic. This album would benefit massively from a remix
(preferably done by Spence Chrislu). If not, the original master
definitely needs to be pulled.
Apparently, some artwork from the vinyl was also missing, but
this was restored on the 1995 re-issue.
"Willie the Pimp"
On the vinyl, part one of "Willie the Pimp" concluded side
one, and part two
opened side two. For the CD release, they could not be edited together
as one track,
because they were in fact not from the same solo. On pre-2012 CDs,
instead of using both tracks as they
were, Zappa kept only the first part and left out part two completely.
DANIEL NORRIS: Is it indeed worth getting the vinyl Fillmore
East album just for the second half of the "Willie the Pimp" solo?
Like I'm not going to buy it anyway, I just want someone to encourage
me to spend my money this way.
CHARLES ULRICH: It's not the second half of the "Willie the
Pimp" solo; it's a different "Willie the Pimp" solo. It works fine when
you have to flip the LP in between the two parts. But they couldn't be
edited together elegantly because they are at different tempi.
CHRIS MAXFIELD: All of the above is true, but it doesn't
change the fact that the track in question that was left off the CD was
called "Willie the Pimp Part Two". And who told Frank that every song
on every CD had to segue? If we didn't mind flipping over the record
and hearing the other version/second half, why would we mind a fade, a
brief pause, and a start up of part two? Why? Why? I
discussed this further in some other post in this thread when I
complained about similar "segue crimes" on Tinsel-Town Rebellion.
MICHAEL GULA: When the compact disk was a new, breakthrough
medium, I believe there was an effort, especially on the part of
pioneers like Frank Zappa, to distinguish it from any previous medium.
That is probably why Zappa was displeased with the EMI CDs [of Tinsel-Town Rebellion, Sheik Yerbouti and You Are What You Is - Ed.]
since they largely utilized the same masters used for the vinyl disks.
He didn't want the only audible difference between his CDs and the
vinyl issues to be the absence of surface noise. I believe he wanted
the CDs to sound as though the albums had been originally recorded and
sequenced with the CD in mind. A fade, followed by a blank space and
the continuation of the song would serve as a reminder, "This CD is
just a copy of a vinyl record." He evidently wanted to avoid that
effect. If Zappa had been forced to wait until the CD was no longer a
new technology before re-issuing his catalog, he likely would have made
quite different decisions and we would have better Zappa CDs available
We do now, thankfully.
The 1995 CD re-issue featured some new artwork: an inlay sheet
behind the tray, which
Cal Schenkel identified as "an ad from the campaign". Official Ryko
"New master. New timing sheet. Restored artwork." [full statement] The 1995 does not differ in sound
quality from the older discs.
From Juha Sarkkinen:
On the CD, tracks are indexed slightly differently. On the
LP "Do You Like My New Car" is given an incorrect time (07:49 should be
07:08); also "Tears Began to Fall" (03:50 should be 02:46). The latter
mistake also on (at least) the original CD.
Japanese Paper-Sleeve Version (2001-2002)
Starting in 2001, Video Arts Music released a limited-edition series (2000
copies each) of Zappa CDs in
paper sleeves - miniature LP sleeves. There was nothing special about this
series other than the covers, which were very well done - inserts and
"bonuses" were reproduced, the albums that originally had gatefold
covers got little miniature gatefolds, and cover track lists were exactly as on
the corresponding LPs, even in cases where the CD has bonus tracks or a
different track order. Included in this series were some entries that never had
"proper" LP issues, i.e. Läther. Additionally, some rarities--like the "green/gold"
cover of Chunga's Revenge--were reproduced as special items in this run.
We need to stress that the sound quality of these discs matches the US
Ryko issues, which they are clearly derived from. These are collectors
items, not new remastered editions.
Late-2012-update: It appears as if the Japanese may be warming up the
mini-LP ovens for a new batch based on the 2012 UMe remasters. We'll let you
know if this happens.
From Biffy the Elephant Shrew:
A few anomalies in the lyric sheet for Fillmore East -
June 1917: the phrase "acetylene nirvana" in "Latex Solar Beef" is
transcribed as "a Sara Lee nirvana". (Flo & Eddie reveal their
cheesecake fetish?) "Bead jobs" in "Do You Like My New Car?" becomes
"B-jobs." In "What Kind of Girl Do You Think We Are?", Mark's
girlfirend digs it with a "yahoo bottle" - which is what
Mark says, even if he means "Yoo-Hoo" - and then refers to
"corks and sandies". The remark by FZ that I've never been able to get,
after the reference to "Manhattan Island clit," is presented here as
"Save us in Manhattan Island".
by Doug Sax with Robert Hadley & Sangwook "Sunny" Nam, this disc
eliminates the digital processing added to previous editions of the
album an restores "Willie the Pimp Pt. 2." An essential purchase.
observes a packaging difference between this edition and the 1995 Rykodisc
The Ryko was printed on uncoated paper to mirror tactile sensation of
LITTLE HOUSE I USED TO LIVE IN Bootleg
A bootleg CD called Little
House I Used to Live in is a direct copy of the original CD.
- Any details on cassette versions?
- Any other details on 8-track versions?
- Old Master's version: what's it like, ey?
- Some vinyl LPs start side 2 with a fade, some with a cold
start. Now, which version has "the most music" on it? ;)
- Toshi Okada
- Patrick Neve
- Molten Core Records
- Massi Storey, LP fade-in
- Jade, NZ